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Clarkstown Enters Into Negotiations For Reuben Gittelman School Property

Town Board authorized town attorney to begin talks, which were held Wednesday and Thursday

 

 

Clarkstown moved quickly this week to start negotiations with the Reuben Gittelman Hebrew Day School (RGHDS) Board of Trustees.  The town attorney held discussions with board representatives on Wednesday and Thursday after the town board authorized the talks at its Tuesday meeting.  The board’s president had announced to staff and parents on January 10 that the school was closing in June due to declining enrollment. 

The resolution passed by the town board stated Clarkstown was interested in the property “to enhance its recreational facilities.”

Town Supervisor Alex Gromack confirmed the town is negotiating with representatives of the school to purchase the building and property for use as a recreational center.

Debbie Roth, vice president of the RGHDS Board of Trustees, said, “I can confirm we are negotiating with them.  We will consider any reasonable offers that come in.”

She said the board has received offers already and is speaking with other interested buyers. Roth said the board is meeting on Monday night to discuss the status of its negotiations with potential purchasers.  Gromack anticipates the town board will be briefed on the progress of negotiations on either Tuesday or Wednesday.

He said the timing was optimal because the Street Community Center needs extensive repairs.

“Just as we were ready to embark on making some choices, this opportunity presented itself,” said Gromack.  “This work at Street needs to be done.  We’ve been reviewing that the last couple of years.”

The Street Community Center was built in the 1950s and needs renovations.  The potential work includes removing asbestos, replacing the roof and original heating system and installing new windows.

The Street Center, which was formerly a school, houses the town’s pre-school, recreational and several senior citizen programs, a weight room, TV lounge and has a gym designed for students.  Gromack said the Street Center has 30,000 square feet and RGHDS has 60,000 square feet.  RGHDS has an adult size gym and is in move in condition.

“It certainly is a business decision,” said Gromack.  “We’ll await to see how close we get to an agreed price.”

Gromack said it comes down to whether it is cost effective to purchase the building on New Hempstead Road and property compared to rehabilitating the community center on Zukor Road.  The town expressed interest in the 10-acre Gittelman property last month and had it appraised.

The extensiveness of the work at the Street Center falls into three categories, which architects and engineers estimated to range from $2 million to $6 million. The minimum amount of work would be to install a new heating system for approximately $2 million.  The next level of work would add the installation of new windows and asbestos removal.  The most robust renovation project would include all that work plus the addition of an extension or a new gym.

If a purchase does work out, Gromack said the town might not need all the space but it would give the town the ability to expand programs and also possibly rent some of the excess square footage to generate income.  At the same time it could consider carefully what to do with the Street Community Center. 

“The good news is we don’t have to make any hasty decisions,” he said. “We’re under no time constraints to do anything.  There are multiple options of what to do with Street.”

The town owns the building and property.  Gromack said the town recreation department is located in a new section of the building and would remain there.  The building is next to Zukor Park, which includes baseball, softball and soccer fields, basketball courts and a children’s playground.  But the older part could be demolished, turned into a warehouse or rented to another entity. 

Related Topics: Reuben Gittelman Hebrew Day School

Marc Fromowitz

7:50 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

What a true waste of taxpayers dollars. The town is broke and we the taxpayers shall bear the burden pf this folly.

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Scott Walters

7:57 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Grom'hack' and his ilk want to again look like heroes by saving this site and putting in our our dole rather than to see what the private sector might do with it. More Brilliant Stuff from our elected officials.....

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GWashington

8:03 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Another recreation center to employ the friends and family of the current town employees; to stand around and do nothing.

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Mike Hirsch

8:39 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Alex, don't spend any money on the Street School. Sell it to a local developer who will knock it down and build affordable housing. You can then add the finished product to your tax base.

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George C

9:22 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Forget the concept of affordable housing. It's a myth. Cut the taxes in half and people can afford to live here.

The other issues here with RGHDS is that there are other buyers waiting to snatch this property up. It would be a short ride down New Hempstead to Philips Hill road from Ramapo. And I would bet that the new owners would be tax exempt too.

Maureen

9:16 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Is this the same Town Attorney who gives away our tax dollars by claiming it can be more cost effecive to settle than to go through the legal process?

http://nanuet.patch.com/articles/clarkstown-town-board-authorizes-tax-certiorari-refunds-for-nanuet-west-nyack-and-valley-cottage-parcels

Is this the same Town Attorney who couldn't find a qualified attorney in Rockland to handle tax certiorari matters?

http://newcity.patch.com/articles/questions-never-do-damage

http://newcity.patch.com/articles/search-for-tax-cert-firm-was-limited

And when asked to explain the patronage connections surrounding the appointment said to the citizens of Clarkstown: “If it is criticized, so be it”?

http://www.lohud.com/article/20120111/NEWS03/301090083/Municipal-cases-new-Clarkstown-tax-attorney-Joseph-J-Savino

If Gromack would rid himself of his 'Napoleonic' complex he might realize that if he stopped spending and raising our taxes we senior citizens might have enough money to spend on our own recreation.  

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9:51 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

HAS ANYONE DRIVEN UP MAIN STREET OFF 304 AND SEEN THE DEVESTATION OF ALL THE TREES THAT CLARKSCLOWNERS HAVE CUT DOWN? STARTING AT LAUREL ROAD ..ITS A TRAVESTY..ALL YOU CAN SEE IS THE CHURCH NOW AND ITS TOO TALL VISUAL OVER THE SHOPPING CENTER..CANT BELEIVE WHAT WAS DONE TO A NICE STREET. SAD SO SAD

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stephany

10:30 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Used to be it was the best part,Now it looks like the rest of the town..cheap. It reminds me of the jersey shore when I was a kid.

I WAS hoping that they cut the trees down to widen the street and remedy that accident waiting to happen where people who are making a left up laurel block all traffic from proceeding south to 304 but I doubt it. we must preserve that telephone pole at all costs.

alas tha tis second to the other accident waiting to happen in front of higgins where you must change lanes to go straight and then change lanes again when you go through the intersection all the while hoping no one decided to take the shortcut and use the right lane which is strictly for right turns and go straight..into the side of my car.

Please god you are not stuck behind some one making a left into chase which will require another lane change or 2

Most accidents happen during lane changes.

Don

10:12 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Was there any public hearing on this waste of money?

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Watchdog

10:42 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

The HASIDS have the inside track and will outbid and outplay Gromack. If they don't get it, they will sue and get one of their judges to rule in their favor. Thank you St Lawrence, Shoenberger and Cornell, all DEMOCRATS, , controlled by the BLOC HASIDIC VOTE.

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Marc Fromowitz

11:18 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

Watchdog, would you agree that the owners of the property have a right to sell the property to who ever they so choose? Would you also agree that the owners of the property have a reasonable expectation to maximize their profit through the sale of the property? If the town is ultimately the highest bidder, who wins? Not the taxpayer, for we have now been stuck with the bill which shall be due every year. If the highest bidder is a private party, who wins? We all do - they get the building and we don't get stuck with the tab.

If the sale is to the "HASIDS" (as you derogatorily refer to them) would that not be the best for all parties involved in the transaction? You have no interest in this transaction, of this I am sure. You have only a personal reason to want to see this property go into any hands other than the "HASIDS". What if the "HASIDS" are not the purchaser? Would you still be against the sale if the buyer is another Orthodox group? You base your assumptions on the false premise that all Orthodox are Chassidic. And what if the highest bidder is a Chassidic group? How does this in any way affect you? What harm comes to you though this private transaction?

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Watchdog

9:15 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Marc, you are all over the place. Hasids is a shortened version of Hasidic. Hasids have taken control of the elective process by virtue of being told for whom to vote. In that sense, they are not a free people. It is disturbing for our democracy and it hasZERO To do with their religion per se. Politicians especially Democratic politicians have sold their souls just to get elected and it destroying our County. IMO it is already too late. Taxpayers have been sold down the river and protecting one building will not stop the ruination of Rockand.

Michael N. Hull

11:33 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

We need to see the financials for this proposed purchase; its annual operating costs (maintenance and utilities); any revenue stream from use of the facility and the number of people who are predicted to use it. Then we can run all sorts of spreadsheets. For example, the cost per person using the facility per year.  

My bet would be that if 100 people use the facility for recreational purposes the annual cost per person would be in the thousands of dollars when one factors in the capital and operating costs. 

What then is the morality of spending this money taken from all taxpayers to benefit a very small number?

One doesn't need to go any further than analyze the numbers and the project will either stand or fall. My question is whether the taxpayers of Clarkstown will be given such data prior to this purchase being made?

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Mike Hirsch

5:37 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Michael, I agree that the numbers need to worked out and shown to the taxpayers. I would trust either Frank Borelli or George Hoehman, who both have good business sense, to captain this analysis. From where I sit, it seems like a no-brainer. The value of Street School (which is just the land) plus the cost to refurbish it I think roughly equals the purchase price of Gittleman. If the town sells Street School as is to a local developer and he builds 20 affordable housing units, the town increases it's tax base by $200,000/year. Also, money will be spent locally for materials and by the workmen all over town, as well as by the occupants of the new housing once it is complete. It makes perfect financial sense to me.

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WGMom

9:00 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012

I agree with your line of thinking, but to estimate that 100 people would use this facility is really silly. The Street center hosts the preschool (about 100 kids just in that program) plus a number of sports classes and sports leagues for kids (mixed sports, indoor soccer, basketball, indoor hockey, etc.). These are programs that get our kids moving over the winter, and that each child pays a registration fee to participate. The gym at Street Center is very small and really only appropriate for youth programs (but barely so); a center with a full-sized adult gym would allow for even more programs to be run. Street Center isn't just a hang-out spot for seniors to play pinochle.

My son went to Street School for preschool last year, but I didn't keep him there for Pre-K even though I liked the program, because the possibility of a renovation meant the preschool would be relocated to Congers, and I didn't want to have to drive there every day. A bigger facility would allow them to potentially expand their very lovely preschool and provide more stability and better facilities for the program, which is one of the more affordable preschool choices for Town residents.

Chuck Borgman

1:27 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Ah, its great to spend other people's money. It's nice to spend millions on desires, instead of needs while people can't afford the taxes. Michael's correct. Are we going to see all the financial analysis before any commitments are made. Probably not. Will there be a public hearing. Probably not. Not only do we need all the information he mentions, but what impact will it have on property taxes over the next twenty years. Also, we will get a fair unbiased appraisal of the property. This reminds me of the attempt several years ago to buy the Peterson Boatyard in Nyack for $5 million even though no one could show what it would be used for. Has anyone seen the financials on the miniature golf course at Germonds. I hardly ever see anyone using it in the summer. Sounds like another bailout for people connected.

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stephany

2:30 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

the appraisal will have to be very close to what they are assessed at now. how could they hire someone and have them come in with an assessment that would invite another tax refund, and for how many years back would it apply. they will hire a company that has been vetted to comply within their specs. making it appear like they aren't is what they will mostly be paid for. To he__ the towns best interest.

Gromack has been told that he better want it and like the good little puppet he is..he complied.

Politicians who have nothing to lose have nothing to gain by doing the right thing, There is no legacy to worry about for Clarkstown supervisors like the presidency We have nothing to gain by keeping them on the payroll but we do by not forcing term limits.

Term limits needs a big movement to clean out all the crap

clrkstwnresident

3:47 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

WOW that was quick........Hillcrest Elem. has been for sale for aver a year now and I don't think the Town Board has ever even looked into the purchase of that property. Hillcrest Elem. sits on a larger piece of land that RGHDS and the building is larger than RGHDS. I guess since Hillcrest is not on the North side of New Hempstead road it is not considered prime real estate. I hope the Town board realizes that if you don't protect your borders, nothing is safe. Once Hillcrest goes you better be the first one to sell or else your investment is gone. I'm sure if members of ourTown Board lived closer to the towns western border things would be different and Hillcrest would be purchased without a second thought.

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Mike Hirsch

5:41 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

The town should buy Hillcrest also, and resell it to a private developer who they can work with to make it a profitable project. This is a good time to buy anything. If the town does it right, they will increase their tax base and recoup their investment within a few years.

Patti

3:56 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Wake up Clarkstown! If the town doesn't buy it then another population of Rockland will snatch it up decreasing our real estate value and make our town another Ramapo. If they sell to a private sector, they too can flip it to whoever they want. Get with it!!! Thank you Alex for saving Clarkstown.

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Catherine Ricks Kant

5:13 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Actually, thank you Alex for doubling our taxes in the past few years. And it is plans like this that will triple them in a few more. Everyone knows that we do not need another recreation center; why can't the Town admit that the real reason is to keep the Hasidics out? Think what you want, there is still freedom of religion in this country and our tax dollars should not be used in attempts to circumvent that freedom.

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Mike Hirsch

6:38 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Catherine, I hope you would agree that religious extremism, whether it be Jewish, Muslim, or Christian, is not a good thing. Freedom of religion does not mean that you can burn down your neighbor's house.

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clrkstwnresident

9:41 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Catherine, you are absolutely right. One of the greatest freedoms we have in this great Country is the freedom of religion, but when a person/group practices their religion and it has a drastic affect on my life or my family's life, i have issues with that. Clarkstown should follow in the footsteps of others. St. Agathas property was bought by the Nanuet School district in order to keep the area from turning into a slum, a slum that would have been taken off the tax rolls. Pearl River bought the African mission for the same reason. Catherine, most people move to Clarkstown for the great Schools, the investment in buying a house, and for the safety of their family. As most of us can see, these things mean nothing to others that hide behind the freedom of religion that they are afforded. In a certain community, if you don't do what the Grand Rebbe says, he sends someone to your house to try and kill you and your family( That community backs up to Hillcrest Elem school). The Rockland DA will not protect you from them, because in the end he needs their bloc vote to be reelected. only in Rockland can you be charged with attempted murder and be out on a low bail. Only in Rockland can you be charged with attempted murder, have a rock solid case for that charge and give the criminal a sweet plea deal that the Grand Rebbe is ok with. So Catherine, when a group of people hides behind their religion to get what they want and my family's health and happiness is

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clrkstwnresident

9:44 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

affected, i hope that someone has the guts to stand up for the community and do the right thing. Clarkstown needs to buy Hillcrest and RGHDS.

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Watchdog

9:56 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

You make some excellent points however, purchasing the properties will open the door to everyone who has a piece of land or decent sized property holding the Town hostage to purchase the property. This is a symtomatic solution at best. To solve this problem, we have to band together the best we can to eliminate the power that people like Vinny Reda and Ed Lettre have over our elective process. The Dems in the North are a lost cause but when Gromack hires Cornells son for the Town Attorneys office and at the same time wants to protect the Town from issues largely created by Harriet Cornell, it sounds like a stop gap measure at best. These self serving politicians must be driven from office. Personally, I think it is already too late but it is worth a try. Ever thought of what would happen if the rest of Davies Farm comes up for sale? Would the Town have enough money to buy it at the inflated price? We cannot go on like this. These politicians must be driven out .....very soon.

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Catherine Ricks Kant

4:11 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Interesting comments all. However, none respond to the point that the town officials keep insisting that it is needed for a recreation center. Why don't they admit what it is for? Do they really think it would lose them votes at the next election? They should at least be honest about the fact that they are no better than those they want to exclude from their island

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Mike Hirsch

4:33 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

It makes perfect economic sense to exchange an old rec center for a new one at no cost and broaden our tax base in the process. If there is an added benefit of keeping religious extremism out of our town for the time being, so much the better.

fred

5:45 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

You got my vote Alex great job on this purchase

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stephany

7:52 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Clarkstown is buying up properties like there is nothing wrong with the RE market Ala the undevelopable, unlevel, noisy, rocky with a protected brook running through it 131 germonds rd for 900K + expenses. Can someone point me to where it was ever worth more than what C paid in this down market. If you must buy anything buy it at a fair price that reflects the market. Like Mike said now is a good time to buy. By that I hope he means from a buyers perspective where prices and interest are at their lowest, and sellers not the taxpayers in this case take the hit

I do not trust mele to get a fair assessment. we should be looking to get a great deal and not looking to give one.

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Watchdog

8:26 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

We cannot buy enough property to stop the ruination of Rockland by Sr Lawrence, Shoenberger, Cornell and Vinny PCoat Reda. North Rockland has controlled all of Rockland since John Grant was elected. It has only gotten worse. Parts of Rockland have all the attributes of a Ghetto.. Unless Orangetown and Clarkstown secede from Rockland and band together to fight this ruination there is no hope. You will be buying every piece of property as iy comes on the market and that is not the job of government.

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Watchdog

8:30 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I will add that through the normal process Reda and Lettre must be neutralized since by and large they are also responsible for supporting the Democratic politicians who sel their souls to remain in office.m

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stephany

10:46 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Clarkstown is just going through the motions, This property is bought. Anyone thinking otherwise please take head out of sand.

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10:51 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

how about clarkstown make the area in front of Higgens funeral home a one lane each way...WHATS THE BIG ISSUE OF A FEW CARS HAVING TO WAIT FOR TURNING RIGHT??THIS ISNT FIFTH AVE IN NYC PEOPLE..THE HAVING TO SWERVE WHEN HEADING TO LAURAL ROAD IS A TRAVESTY OF INCOMPENTENCE FOR WHOEVER ALLOWED THIS !!!!THEN AGAIN TYPICAL OF HOW CLARKSCLOWNVILLE IS RUN...A ADDED NOTE IS THERE COPPPER PIPES ON THE STREET SCHOOL?IF SO LETS GUARD THEM BECAUSE OF PAST OCCURENCES WITH SOME OLD EMPLOYEES..BY THE WAY WHO DID THAT GUY WORK UNDER? THE ONE WHO WAS CAUGHT DRIVING A CLARKSTOWN TRUCK?

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stephany

1:16 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

when considering this building for purchase vs rehabbing street center C needs to come in with a realistic cost to renovate street center--2-6 mil seems like way too much and what about using Boces carpentry, ac +ref and plumbing students and some from RCC the crowned Jewel of Rockland--they have the electrical engineering dept don't they. what about out of work construction workers who have run out of UE if that is even possible anymore.

Do we need to go union 100% because that is at least doubling the cost especially when they bid labor at journeymen level and use 1st yr apprentices and pocket the difference since most of the work doe not require 4-5 yrs +++ experience. just a little supervision

where did the estimates for street center come from. how old are they and what is the percentage they will be allowed to exceed costs by.

who want to be they do both street and buy this

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elaine

8:35 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012

i thought that RGHDS was already sold????

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