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Orangetown Budget Sparks Political Divide

The Orangetown Town Board announced Monday that the 2013 budget will come in under the state-mandated 2% tax cap. How the board got there is a point of dispute.

The Orangetown Town Board adopted its 2013 budget last week.

Once Orangetown Finance Director Jeff Bencik went back through the numbers, he pointed out that while the operating budget increased by 4.66% from 2012, the tax levy increase as measured by the state came in under the 2% cap with an average rise of 1.66% for Orangetown residents.

The five members of the Orangetown Town Board all praised the work put into cutting down the budget to get under the cap, which included a reduction of over $1 million in spending from 2012, but disagreed on how they reached that point Monday.

Councilmen Tom Diviny, Denis Troy, Paul Valentine and Tom Morr, all Republicans, released a joint statement Monday, the complete text of which is attached to this report.

"It is with great pride and a sense of accomplishment that we are able to announce the Orangetown Town Budget will be under the state mandated tax cap for the budget year 2013," They wrote. "Please remember that when the 2013 budget was first discussed the Supervisor's office spoke of a possible 15% tax increase. Please also remember that the Supervisor's initial budget was submitted with a 9.2% tax increase."

Orangetown Supervisor Andy Stewart argued that the statement does not correctly portray the collaborative process among the entire council in making changes to the budget all through the process.

"I’m thrilled we’re under the two percent cap," Stewart said. "It’s preposterous for four members of the town council to characterize our final budget as anything other than a collaborative project, which I worked on from the beginning to the very end. I hired the finance director who brought it to the finish line. I supervised the finance department. I did an analysis of al of the cost-cutting ideas. I eliminated ones that made no sense and were hurtful to the town, like announcing we are closing the sewer department.

"To tell the story as if I had no part in it is clearly a politically motivated, underhanded and vicious attack."

The 15% increase mentioned in the statement from the four Councilmen came from a memo produced by former Orangetown Director of Finance Charlie Richardson, detailing what the budget would look like if the town made no cuts at all from 2012. By all accounts, that was never considered to be a valid option by any members of the town board. 

There were no concrete proposals until Stewart submitted his tentative budget Sept. 24 with a 9.19% increase in operating budget (which is now at 4.66%). A more detailed look at the proposal can be found here, including Stewart's comments about his view of the budget at that stage.

"The town board is officially encouraged and welcomed into reviewing, breaking out the red pens and pencils, dissecting and commenting," Stewart said. "We are working toward Oct. 23, when we have a draft (of the 2013 budget) due and hopefully Nov. 7, when we would approve a final budget."

Diviny and Valentine presented a series of suggestions at a meeting Oct. 10. Among them were not allowing the Orangetown Police Department to buy any more cars, which was among those included in the final budget. Diviny also argued that it was important to bring the number of police officers back up to 83 to ensure that it did not drop below 80 during 2013. 

The argument that sprung up at times in recent meetings and became more focused Tuesday is how much of the cutting in the budget from that point came from Troy, Diviny, Valentine and Morr and how much came from Stewart. This came despite a budget process that was very open to the public.

"I am very disappointed that people said this wasn't a transparent process," Valentine said during the meeting Nov. 13. "I don't know how you could get it more transparent unless Andy personally delivered the budgets to everybody's houses."

Stewart and Diviny continued to argue the point in the comments on Monday's post on Patch regarding the 2013 budget. 

Stewart and the rest of the council did disagree on a number of issues during the process. At one point Diviny said it would take a miracle to keep Broadacres Golf Course open, but eventually the other four members of the board voted against Stewart's proposal to close it.

Even as the final adjustments to the budget were made Nov. 13, Stewart was the lone vote against using an additional $250,000 in reserve funds, bringing the total to $1.75 million.

The board did vote unanimously to override the state-mandated two percent tax cap Oct. 23. When the board again voted unanimously to adopt the 2013 budget, it was believed to be over the cap, approximately a 4.8 percent tax increase. That number was later revised down to 4.66 percent.

Getting Under the Tax Cap

Monday's announcement raises the question of what changed from the time the budget was adopted. In terms of the actual financial plan for 2013, nothing did, except for the way it is being interpreted.

The 4.66 percent increase signifies the operating budget from 2012 to 2013. The 1.66 percent increase represents how the state views the Orangetown budget for the purposes of the cap.

At least part of the difference is caused by exclusions, items that are in the budget but not counted against the cap. This includes issues such as tax settlements.

For example, when the town board voted to reduce funding for four South Orangetown libraries by 10 percent, it did not have an impact on the operational budget, but it did lower Orangetown's tax increase in relation to the cap. 

"The number that everyone has historically focused upon is the 4.66%, which is the operational budget," Orangetown Director of Finance Jeff Bencik said. "What the state tax cap is meant to do is to make an apples to apples comparison of anything the town has control over."

Stewart chose Bencik as the new director of finance in early October, so he had to jump into the middle of the process and this is his first time working with the cap. The tax cap itself is relatively new, having been voted in just last year.

"We spoke to the comptroller's office three or four times before we came out with this," Bencik said.

Bencik and the members of the board stressed that the tax increase will not be the same for everybody. It will vary depending on what part of town they live in.

"Each tax location is going to be different," Bencik said. "For the town as a whole, taxes are going up an average of 1.66%." 

Wingo November 21, 2012 at 08:37 pm
I have been observing this game of volleyball for the past two days and am truly amazed that the politicians even respond. 1. Police Officers do not receive extra pay for working a holiday or a weekend as it is part of there scheduled chart. 2. They perform quite a bit more than just traffic duties. 3. Their pension, if it is the same as mine from NYPD sustains itself through investment returns. Oh and by the way, I contributed to my pension like all other police officers. 4. The OPD has approximately 20 fewer officers with a greater workload than they had 10 years ago when they absorbed the duties from Nyack. 5. Please attempt to walk a mile in their shoes, as I did for 20+ years, before you think for one second that you are qualified to cast judgement on them or the great work that they do keeping you, your family and property free from harm. To quote Col. Nathan Jessup: " I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it." .
Ryan Buncher (Editor) November 21, 2012 at 09:33 pm
I think the town council members respond because they want the public to understand the budget and the process that went into it. They just don't all agree on the second part of that, so I'm sure the opportunity to restate their points of view is also a factor.
Regarding the Col. Jessup reference, you have to love the combination of Aaron Sorkin's writing and Jack Nicholson's acting. At least I do, though I think it is safe to say that Sorkin did not intend to hold up the character as any kind of role model.
elizabeth November 22, 2012 at 12:38 am
Enzo, I agree! Rockland County now has the distinction of having the third highest property taxes in all of the US. There are almost 3100 counties in the US and we are number 3! Obviously, much needs to change and the salaries, benefit packages, minimal or no contributions by employees to their generous State pensions and health care cannot go on like this.
If you want something to change write letters, send faxes to our elected officials, go to town meetings and speak out. Councilman and Supervisors do listen if enough of us take the time to speak our minds. Let's not settle for the status quo.
CR November 22, 2012 at 12:46 am
Wasn't Col. Nathan Jessup found guilty in that trial? Poor choice of "heroes" to quote.
As a former NYPD officer who presumably made much less than the Orangetown cops and was probably subject to more violent crimes, I find it interesting that you aren't more a little bitter. If you could have worked in Orangetown, would you have?
Ryan Buncher (Editor) November 22, 2012 at 01:10 am
Let's try not to make the comments about one another.
Sorry if my follow-up about Col. Jessup drew us farther off topic, though if I remember correctly, he was arrested, but I don't think he had technically been found guilty yet by the end of the movie.
CR November 22, 2012 at 01:23 am
Ryan, please. I was making light of his comment, nothing more.
Terry November 22, 2012 at 01:41 am
MOMOFTWO....Im getting tired of your ranting and raving.You are insulting people on how much time they spend on this blog yet you have just as many responses....just sayin....OK we now know your married to an OT cop..and you volunteer with the ambulance but how DARE you put down nyc cops A few bad apples out of 37,000 cops..not 83..but 37,000. You claim that you never read about OT cops doing anything wrong! We both know thats not true...for some reason when they do the only thing you will ever read in the patch or JN is that its a private/personel matter..why is that? For some reason its always kept out the paper.. any other person gets their name and picture printed (even if they not been found guilty)but not OT cops..WHY? and as far as not getting paid for the holidays...they knew what the job entailed before they took it...so stop whining...they are overpaid. The bottom line is when your spending more then your taking home..you need to cut back spending and the police are a huge part of OUR budget. I dont give a rats a** that you dont mind paying an increase..how about if I send you my bill for the next 20 years.. and how about a thank you to all of us, the taxpapers..who are paying for your free family health insurance (for life). would e nice...just sayin Have a wonderful and happy thanksgiving.
Reality November 22, 2012 at 02:03 am
Terry, I believe momoftwo was disputing several erroneous bloggers that orangetown cops get paid for holidays. Also you are wrong about "opd cops never getting into the papers whether they are guilty or not". Again momoftwo referred to nypd cops who were arrested. Newspapers do not print articles about any police officers in any jurisdiction regarding personnel matters. The only opd officer that I recall being arrested in the past 30 yrs had his picture plastered in every local paper. If your going to blast the police or those who support them at least get your facts straight!
Watchdog November 22, 2012 at 02:16 am
Jimmy, not envious. Just concerned about the plight of seniors.
Michel Hull wrote this in an article for PATCH. " Journal News of October 17, 2012 reported that Clarkstown had the highest average salary of any local agency in NY State. Its 163 police employees had an average pay of $179,689, and seven of its workers were among the top 20 highest-paid workers in local government in New York. If one adds on for pension and health care costs the usual number of 40%, then the average police officer employed by Clarkstown costs $251,565. The Journal News Editor remarked: "The takeaway for property taxpayers and voters? When wading through the excuses and explanations on taxes, remember that some of the damage is homegrown." Four police officers alone take home in salary (before benefits) $1,054,658. Their salaries are: $270,824 - Anthony Ovchinnikoff, Clarkstown Police Captain No. 2 in the state $265,113 - Daniel Weisberg, Clarkstown Police Lieutenant No. 5 in the state $264,513 - Robert Mahon, Clarkstown Police Captain No. 6 in the state $254,208 - Michael Sullivan, Clarkstown Police Chief No. 12 in the state These four salaries alone constitute nearly 1% of the proposed 2013 tax increase. The salary totals include overtime and pay for unused sick and vacation time from April 1, 2011, through March 31, 2012 but do NOT include pension contributions, health insurance and other fringe benefits. " We cannot afford this.
Watchdog November 22, 2012 at 03:22 am
Reaality, the vacation time comment?..it was a question posed...no one said they got paid.
Watchdog November 22, 2012 at 03:30 am
B John. Wrote this
"Let me clarify. I have no issue and am not calling out the sherrifs dept because someone lost a weapon. It's not my concern. I am not saying they are not nice people. What I am saying is that in this county the danger factor to cops is minimal. The last major event was the Brinks robbery over 30 years ago. sure there are crimes and murders but the pd get involved after the event. There needs to be one dept. The RCPD - Rockland County Police Department. Review all salaries across the towns and come up with an average. Some officers will get a bump in pay, others a decrease, and some will stay the same. Next we need one Police Chief. Have all the existing ones interview with our town executives for the job. The ones that don't get the job will be offered positions as lieutenants or sergeants at the appropriate pay rate. They won't like it but I did not like it 2 years ago when my company said no raises or this year when they said layoffs.....that's life fellas. Next we merge some towns to RCPD precincts. For example, the Sheriffs Dept merges into the Clarkstown PD building, Haverstraw into Stony Point....etc. All existing police cars stay named as is and new purchases are designed as RCPD. sell the existing police stations /property that are no longer needed. make them into community centers. Lastly, free medical ends boys. Welcome to a PPO or Choice plan like the private sector. Tax payer's are getting slammed and can no longer give you a free ride."
Nanuet Kelly November 22, 2012 at 03:58 am
Mad Dog your comments are racist and inappropriate for this forum.
Michael N. Hull November 22, 2012 at 11:45 am
I have written several articles on the fiscal state of Rockland County and particularly Clarkstown. Much of the analysis applies to Orangetown also. In particular, I note the use of the reserve funds to hide the true tax increase from residents mentioned in these comments already.
Rockland County has six governments - the County Legislature and the five towns. This level of bureaucracy is ridiculous with all of its duplication. Taxpayers pay for the County Executive and the five supervisors nearly three times as much to govern approximately 300 thousand people in Rockland as we pay the President of the United States to govern 300 million. It's not just the police, it's the government itself with all of its waste and duplication! There should be one police department for the whole of Rockland County with one Police Chief - not five of them earning $1 million+ and a Sheriff's department in addition. Same goes for the highway departments, tax collection etc. etc Look at you bills - they are the same as mine. http://newcity.patch.com/blog_posts/looking-through-my-bills http://newcity.patch.com/blog_posts/not-yet-bankrupt-just-insolvent http://newcity.patch.com/blog_posts/is-rockland-dysfunctional I see some steps to get together and bring some sanity. Orangetown's Valentine is involved as is Bardonia's Carey. This needs to be encouraged! http://newcity.patch.com/articles/bipartisan-push-to-review-community-college-chargebacks
Mommyofthree November 22, 2012 at 01:21 pm
WHAT?
Mommyofthree November 22, 2012 at 01:26 pm
Ask a cop who has worked holidays, to see his Holiday pay check..the one they get in addition to their regular pay... it's a pretty nice pay!
Mommyofthree November 22, 2012 at 01:27 pm
MomofTwo...you must be confused...this topic is about Orangetown police Officers...NOT NYC Police Officers! The cops in Rockland are way over paid and experience nothing comparable to a NYC cop. They also make double and triple a NYC cop makes. Most of these cops up here are busy with traffic violations and not getting shot at!
Mad Dog November 22, 2012 at 01:43 pm
The salaries of those four in Clarkstown are an outright disgrace. Its is those salaries that turn people off to the cops in this county. Not the salary of the cop working Nyack at 3AM on Sat night who just broke up his third bar fight. It is always the "fat cats" that raise peoples ire.
Watchdog November 22, 2012 at 02:05 pm
Nanuet Kelly...how do you feel about the segregated, discriminatory and unfriendly community of. New Square? The lack of diversity in that community, a legally incorporated Village, is appalling. No blacks, Hispanics, Irish, German. Etc. And you call MadDog a Racist?
Mad Dog November 22, 2012 at 04:30 pm
Mr. Hull why would anyone want to be part of an Organization like yours Your leader was arrested for shady business practices in which Mr. Hirsch underpayed people in NYC. If people like Mr. Hirsch ran town government could we expect similar illegal behavior? Keep your corruption in Clarkstown. Orangetown can manage without people of your ilk.
Maureen November 22, 2012 at 04:47 pm
Just read through this thread this morning. Very interesting discussion!
Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
Siobhan November 22, 2012 at 04:56 pm
Agree! Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Watchdog November 22, 2012 at 05:14 pm
At that rate, it would take 40 years to solve the problem.
Watchdog November 22, 2012 at 05:17 pm
You forgot the word "alleged". That is called LIBEL and you can be sued for LIBEL.
Watchdog November 22, 2012 at 05:24 pm
Paul Valentine...I did not take it out of context. In fact I agree with you. Can't win here. Disagree and you get blasted. Agree and you get blasted. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Mad Dog November 22, 2012 at 06:38 pm
It was not alleged that he got arrested. He did. Im making a statement of fact. Obviously people have their day in court. Are you optimistic that he will be acquitted? If you are then you know more than the rest of us. Care to share why you feel that way?
Mad Dog November 22, 2012 at 06:39 pm
Anyway Im sick of the negativity. Happy Thanks giving everyone.
Larry November 23, 2012 at 02:16 am
This website should clear things up for all as far as salaries go . This site www.seethroughny.net you can find any city,town and state employees salary even what some politicians make.
As far as the Taylor law goes yes Mr. Valentine is correct that it ties there hands as far as raises go he forgot to mention that if the Taylor law is removed then Police will have the option to strike . This is never going to happen we know that.
MomOfTwo November 23, 2012 at 04:22 am
Terry- I will repeat I was not ranting at all I seem to be one of the few people here that is not angry. I made a comment which brought about quite a few responses (just like yours) and I felt I should respond . Don't quit your day job you are a terrible detective. I am not married to a cop, I do happen to be very good friends with an Orangetown police officer, as well as quite a few NYPD officers. I do not volunteer with an ambulance but have in the past had involvement with many aspects of the EMS systems. And as far as the free benefits, I do believe I posted that I do in fact pay for my benefits so wrong again. I honestly don't know why you felt the need to jump in and pounce on me when all I did was respond to the questions asked of me with answers I know to be correct and when I did not know I said I did not know. I was trying to help get the facts out there. I even wrote in my first comment that I never comment on blogs so when I did say something I had no idea I would have a million people coming back at me. You don't need to respond cuz I am done with this mess. sitting here going back and forth isn't going to do anything. I'm just sayin....
PS- Reality - thank you
Brian Goudie November 23, 2012 at 02:42 pm
These guys still don't get it. They simply don't have the guts to severely cut staff and services, because they don't have the brains or leadership ability to adequately explain this to the public. They still react to the last person who has had their ear.
And a Golf Course that is costing the taxpayer money! Who has time to play golf anymore? What a bunch of children! I will take a look at my tax bill and then make a decision as to whether or not to raise my rents for tenants accordingly. If the $ increase is over 2%, every tenant will get a letter naming Town Board Members and explaining that they were unable to keep spending under control.
enzo December 13, 2012 at 09:29 pm
Just as everything else today these decisions are tough and it takes leadership to address and correct them. Unfortunately, the costs relative to Police are a huge part of the budget and while it has been stated over and over that "nothing can be done" because of current law. state mandates, etc.something MUST BE DONE. First, our representatives must forge a solution by demanding that the State address these mandates, and to back them up, have every Rockland resident sign a petition that they will pay not one cent more in County or Town tax for 2013 than
in 2012. Are the jails large enough to hold everyone?

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